Judge Philosophies

Adam Testerman - TTU

<p><strong>Background</strong></p> <p>Hi there! &nbsp;I participated in parliamentary debate during college, with two years at Southern Illinois University and two years at Texas Tech University.&nbsp; I feel comfortable judging any &ldquo;genre&rdquo; of argument and have no real argument preference beyond the desire to see clash. &nbsp;I coached for three years at Lewis &amp; Clark College; this is my third year as Director of Forensics at Texas Tech. &nbsp;</p> <p><strong>General Issues</strong></p> <p>Parliamentary debate is the most fun and the most educational when a variety of argumentative styles, people, knowledge bases, and strategies are given room to thrive.&nbsp; I feel lucky to have judged a vast array of different arguments in my judging career.&nbsp; One of my main goals as a judge is to allow teams to run the arguments they feel are most compelling in front of me.&nbsp; I&rsquo;ve picked up teams reading structural indictments of debate about as many times as I&rsquo;ve picked up teams reading policy affirmatives and defending incrementalism.&nbsp;</p> <p>It is my goal to involve myself in the debate round as little as possible.&nbsp; I have no preference for any particular kind of argument and generally feel that almost every debate issue can be resolved in the round.&nbsp; I will vote for arguments with warrants. I will try my best to synthesize your arguments, but I also believe that to be a central skill of effective debaters.&nbsp;</p> <p>I will vote for arguments I think are stupid 10 out of 10 times if they are won in the round.&nbsp;</p> <p>I rely on my flow to decide the round. &nbsp;I attempt to flow performances and I do my best to write down what you&rsquo;re saying as close to verbatim as my fingers allow me.&nbsp; If there is an expectation that I not decide the round based on the way I understand argument interaction on my flow, that should be stated explicitly and it would be a good idea to tell me how I am intended to evaluate the debate round.&nbsp;</p> <p>Emphasize explanation early&hellip; don&rsquo;t let your argument make sense for the first time in the LOR or PMR etc.&nbsp;</p> <p>All constructive speeches should take a question if asked, and it&rsquo;s strategic to ask questions.&nbsp;</p> <p>Theory interpretations and advocacy statements should be read slowly and read twice.&nbsp;</p> <p>Points of Order should be called, but I will also do my best to protect new arguments&hellip; don&rsquo;t be excessive with them though [I&rsquo;ll be vague about what that means, but be an adult]&nbsp;</p> <p>RVI&rsquo;s have never been good arguments, read them at your own risk. &nbsp;</p> <p><strong>Theory/Procedurals</strong></p> <p>I cut my teeth on procedural arguments in college, and I am still a huge fan.&nbsp; To vote on a procedural, I need an interpretation explaining how the debate should be evaluated, a violation detailing specifically why the other team does not fit within that interpretation, standards that explain why the interpretation is good, and a voter that outlines why I should vote on the argument.&nbsp; PLEASE read your interpretation/definition slowly and probably repeat it. &nbsp;It is good to have an interpretation that makes some sense.&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>DAs/Advantages</strong></p> <p>DAs and Advs. require uniqueness arguments that explain why the situation the affirmative causes is not happening in the status quo.&nbsp; Defensive arguments are useful, but they often serve to make offensive arguments more impactful or serve as risk mitigation, as opposed to terminal takeouts.&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>Critiques</strong></p> <p>Critique debates can be fun to watch, but only when the position is clear at the thesis level. If your shell argues that the K is a prior question or something like that, spend some meaningful time explaining why that&rsquo;s the case instead of &ldquo;shadow&rdquo; extending an argument from the shell.&nbsp; I am familiar with a lot of the literature, but you should argue the position as if I am not.&nbsp; Critiques are totally dope, but only because they have the potential to advance compelling arguments&hellip; not because they are obtuse.&nbsp;</p> <p>Framework debates are a waste of time a vast majority of the time.&nbsp; I do not understand why teams spend any substantive amount of time on framework.&nbsp; The question of whether the affirmative methodology/epistemology/whatever vague term you want to use, is good or bad should be determined in the links and impacts of the criticism.&nbsp; I see almost no world where framework matters independent of the rest of the shell.&nbsp; So&hellip; the only K framework questions that tend to make sense to me are arguments about why it is a prior question.&nbsp; It makes sense that if the critique wins that the affirmative impacts are threat constructions that I&rsquo;m not going to weigh the affirmative impacts against the position.&nbsp; That&rsquo;s not a framework debate though, that&rsquo;s a question determined by winning the thesis of the position.&nbsp;</p> <p>Critical affirmatives can be cool, but they also put me in a weird position as a judge sometimes.&nbsp; If your affirmative is positioned to critique DAs, then I still want to see specific applications of those arguments to the DAs.&nbsp; I need to see how the DA demonstrates your argument to be true in some specific way.&nbsp; By that I mean, if the negative outright wins a DA, I would need to see why that would mean the affirmative shouldn&rsquo;t lose early, often, and specifically.&nbsp; The same is true of any set/genre of negative positions.&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>Performance</strong></p> <p>I tend to not have super strong feelings in favor or in opposition to &ldquo;performance&rdquo; style arguments.&nbsp; Several of the teams I have coached have run non-traditional arguments and I have seen those be incredibly beneficial for the debaters and have a positive effect on education garnered from their rounds.&nbsp; I have also seen people really struggle with performance-style arguments on an interpersonal level, in both advocating their positions and responding to others doing so.&nbsp; I defer to the debaters to wade through the various issues related to performance-style debate.&nbsp;</p> <p>For me, performances [and this is definitely for lack of a better term that groups non-policy/non-topic oriented approaches] have the potential to make very compelling arguments.&nbsp; However, I will vote for framework as answer to these arguments if the other team &ldquo;wins&rdquo; the position. I&#39;ll also say, smart K aff teams should be reading a 1ac that levvies a lot of offense against the internal logic of most framework positions. &nbsp;Framework teams should consider to what extent the affirmative acts as a DA to their interpretation and wade through such issues carefully.&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>CPs</strong></p> <p>In general, the CP/DA debate is probably what I feel most comfortable judging accurately and I think CPs that solve the affirmative are very strategic. There are probably enough arguments on both sides to justify different interpretations of how permutation or CP theory in general should go down, that I don&rsquo;t have strong opinions about many CP related issues. &nbsp;</p> <p>I tend to think objections to conditionality are rooted in some very valid arguments, however I find myself concluding conditionality is probably more good than bad in my mind.&nbsp; That only means the conditionality debate is totally fair game and I probably have voted conditionality bad as many times as I have voted it is good.&nbsp;</p> <p>Cheater CPs are cool with me, so feel free to deploy delay, conditions, consult, whatever.&nbsp; I tend to think the theory arguments read in answer to those positions are more persuasive than the answers when argued perfectly, but that in no way makes me more predisposed to reject any kind of CP strategy.</p>


Alex Whiteman - CC


Bethany Foster - CCU

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Caleb Rawson - CCU

<p>&quot;My background is that I competed in parli for multiple years in college and now do some assistant coaching on the weekends while I get my PhD in Business. I&rsquo;ve been told I am a very expressive judge so feel free to utilize that to your advantage. I hold to a very ideological view of debate, especially that access to debate (both as a competitor and as an audience member) should be open and non-discriminatory. This manifests itself in some of the following points.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>-Courtesy. Both teams need to not only be polite with their words, but also with their nonverbal signals. If an opponent asks a question (and they&nbsp;<em>should</em></p> <p>ask, and you&nbsp;<em>should&nbsp;</em>answer) be polite with your answer. Dramatic sighs or eye rolling&nbsp;<em>will</em>&nbsp;result in a significant drop in speaker points.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>-Speed. Having debated I know that a fast speaking speed can be beneficial. However, your speed must be at an understandable pace for everyone in the room (including audience members). I will not flow anything I cannot understand and I will not call &ldquo;clear&rdquo; or tell you to slow down. If you talk fast you must pay attention to my nonverbals (i.e. do not read directly from a page at a fast pace and expect me to flow everything).</p> <p>-Probable Cause. Impacts, K&rsquo;s, and abuse must be probable, not just possible.</p> <p>-Generic Politics Argument and Resolutional K&rsquo;s. See above point. I don&rsquo;t care if you &ldquo;feel&rdquo; the resolution is discriminatory or unfair, you must prove that it is.</p> <p>-Use rebuttals to actually refute your opponents and show why you win instead of using them like a constructive speech. That&rsquo;s why debate has rebuttals in the first place&hellip;.</p> <p>I like to have fun as a judge and I like my competitors to have fun.&quot;</p>


Carlos Tarin - UTEP

<p>I consider myself to be fairly straightforward in my approach to debate.&nbsp; I think the best debates happen when teams actually engage the issues invoked by the resolution, rather than getting bogged down in pointless meta-theoretical exercises.&nbsp; I am open to a variety of perspectives, but will generally default to a policy-making paradigm that evaluates net benefits unless I am given a reason to do otherwise.&nbsp; If you want to run more creative positions (critical or otherwise) I&rsquo;m okay with that as long as I am given a rationale that substantively articulates the importance or worth of those arguments.&nbsp; Basically, don&rsquo;t play games with the round for the sake of playing games; warrant your positions and give me a clear way of evaluating the claims you are making.&nbsp;</p> <p>I am okay with some speed, but generally don&rsquo;t appreciate spreading (and, in all fairness, I probably won&rsquo;t catch everything if you&rsquo;re going crazy fast).&nbsp; I try to stick to the flow as much as possible, but if you arguments aren&rsquo;t clearly labeled or are rushed, I&rsquo;ll eventually give up trying to follow along.&nbsp; Tell me where to go on the flow and where I should be (cross)applying arguments if necessary.&nbsp;</p> <p>Things I generally don&rsquo;t like: unnecessary topicality (usually won&#39;t vote for this unless there is demonstrable abuse happening in round), convoluted theory arguments (of the debate variety; I dig philosophical arguments), time sucks, rudeness.</p> <p>Your chances of winning my ballot will be greatly improved if you: clearly give me reasons why I should vote for you in rebuttals, weigh impacts, provide actual clash, win frameworks.&nbsp;</p> <p>Miscellaneous: I&rsquo;m usually pretty nice with speaker points (just don&rsquo;t be a jerk).&nbsp; Points of order are fine (I won&#39;t consider new arguments in rebuttals, but you might be hearing things differently -- so feel free to call them), but don&#39;t go overboard with them -- if a team is making lots of new arguments, I won&#39;t flow them.&nbsp;</p>


Cassie Price - CC


Courtney Greene - CC


Dan West - Ohio U

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Doug Hall - Casper

<p>Argumentation: I am a flow judge. I only vote on what is on the flow, I will NOT intervene or do work for you. I vote primarily on the merit of the arguments made in the round. Are arguments covered, defeated, or dropped? I will vote on these sorts of things. Speed: I do NOT like speed and your speaker points will be decreased for poor communication. I will also not flow something if I can&#39;t follow it due to speed. Again, if it&#39;s not on the flow, its as if I didn&#39;t hear it. In this vein, I do NOT like spreading either. The point of this activity is to not see how much crap you can get to stick, it is to make good arguments that defeat your opponent. Think of it in the context of the real world, would a representative in a parliament win over her colleagues just by making a lot of arguments? Even if some, or most, of them were weak? No, she would focus on the strongest arguments and present those. If you choose to spread, I will not punish your opponent for dropped arguments. Civility: I will judge you harshly if you behave rudely in round. This can be through aggressive tone and/or behavior, caustic sarcasm, using insulting or demeaning language, or displaying a general lack of respect for your opponents. You may not drop the round for this type of behavior, but your speaks will be greatly reduced. Partner Help: I am okay with this as long as the person who is recognized to speak is doing the large majority of the speaking. If the person who is not recognized to speak is speaking, it is as if I cannot hear them and I will not flow it unless it is said by the recognized speaker. Round Etiquette: I would prefer that recognized speakers please stand while speaking. If you would like to ask a question, I ask that you stand to be recognized and not simply raise your hand or interrupt. Procedurals: I do not vote on procedurals unless there is a clear violation and that case is made articulately by the opposition team. I will almost never reward the use of procedurals as gamesmanship. Permutations: Permutations must be clearly laid out with a perm text for me to consider them. I have to know what the plan is for which I would be voting. Kritiques: I am not a fan. The rules of Parliamentary Debate clearly state that you cannot bring pre-prepped materials into the round with you. I, in most cases, do not believe that the Kritique was solely prepared during the prep period and therefore have trouble accepting them as legitimate. That being said, if I do find your &quot;K&quot; to be legit, I will be looking for a clear link and alt. Without these components I cannot vote on the &quot;K&quot;. In other words, if you are a team that is going to be running a project &quot;K&quot;, you should just strike me now.</p>


Gina Iberri-Shea - USAFA


Gus Foote - Ohio U

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Jacob Kirksey - CC


Jared Bressler - TTU

<p>Jared Bressler - Texas Technical University<br /> Saved Philosophy:<br /> Question 1 : Philosophy<br /> Section 1: General Information<br /> Please begin by explaining what you think is the relevant information about your approach to judging that will best assist the debaters you are judge debate in front of you. Please be specific and clear. Judges who write philosophies that are not clear will be asked to rewrite them. Judges who do not rewrite them may be fined or not allowed to judge/cover teams at the NPTE.<br /> Read what you are most comfortable with, teams who never read the K trying to impress me by reading one typically don&rsquo;t. You just need some offence at the end of the round<br /> I like copies of texts when possible.<br /> I can be very harsh with speaker points if you step over certain lines. Don&rsquo;t say racist, sexist homophopic ect things if you do you will lose points. Don&rsquo;t shame your opponent or nock excessively or you will lose points. Also a few years ago there was a habit of asking for speak points (ie. Giving a short privew saying that all debaters should get 30s) if you do this you will lose a lot of speaker points. If you don&rsquo;t do any of these things you will get 25 or above. If not I have given debaters 1 (mostly for shaming, or being real offensive when I thought they should know better) and more 15s (if they said something real offensive without thinking about it) so if seeding matters to you be nice.<br /> I have a reputation of being a K hack and historically I have voted more for Ks than against them, though this year that pattern is reversed. I think the reason I tend to vote for Ks is because teams are not responsive too key (often stupid) arguments such as questions of root cause, in round solvency, nuances of how the framework functions, and K turns solvency.<br /> I try to judge as much as possible as a robot evaluating the flow (I don&rsquo;t know how good I am at it). If an argument is dropped it is true no matter how underdeveloped. That being said if there are opposing arguments with no analysis on which one prefer I will vote for the one that is the truest/ best warranted.&nbsp; I also think comparing warrants is the best way to decide debates.<br /> Other things the NPDA wants<br /> I don&rsquo;t look at presentation to make decisions as long as as long as&nbsp;I can understand you.<br /> I like POIs. I try to protect, but I&rsquo;m not all that smart.<br /> Section 2: Specific Inquiries<br /> Please describe your approach to the following.<br /> Speaker points (what is your typical speaker point range or average speaker points given)? 25 for a bad speech that is inoffensive (if you are offensive I will destroy your points). 27 for an average speech.How do you approach critically framed arguments? Can affirmatives run critical arguments? Can critical arguments be &ldquo;contradictory&rdquo; with other negative positions? Run what you can defend.Performance based arguments&hellip; I&rsquo;ve voted for them numerous times, but they are not my favorite.Topicality. What do you require to vote on topicality? Is in-round abuse necessary? Do you require competing interpretations?&nbsp; I like competing interpations and will defult to that unless told otherwise.Counterplans -- PICs good or bad? Should opp identify the status of the counterplan? Perms -- textual competition ok? functional competition?&nbsp; All counterplans are ok unless the aff argues that they are not, then I will look at the teory debateIs it acceptable for teams to share their flowed arguments with each other during the round (not just their plans). SureIn the absence of debaters&#39; clearly won arguments to the contrary, what is the order of evaluation that you will use in coming to a decision (e.g. do procedural issues like topicality precede kritiks which in turn precede cost-benefit analysis of advantages/disadvantages, or do you use some other ordering?)?Proceduals first as for Ks I will evaluate them however I&rsquo;m told or how they make since. I don&rsquo;t like Ks that claim to come first but the rest of the K doesn&rsquo;t justify that claim.How do you weight arguments when they are not explicitly weighed by the debaters or when weighting claims are diametrically opposed? How do you compare abstract impacts (i.e. &quot;dehumanization&quot;) against concrete impacts (i.e. &quot;one million deaths&quot;)?<br /> I defult to death being the biggest impact. However I do weight how teams tell me, I have voted on dehumanization outweighs death before.</p>


Jordan Johnson - Casper

<p>As a coach and judge, I expect my own and other competitors to be civil and professional at all times during the tournament. I approach debate as a communication event focused on argumentation. I reward clearly articulated arguments and good clash. I rarely reward excessive speed. Simply put, if I can&rsquo;t flow your arguments due to speed, you can&rsquo;t win on those arguments. If you run a kritique, I expect a clear link and an accurate explanation of the theoretical foundation. The alt is imperative. I rarely vote on procedurals.</p>


Jordan Christiansen - Hutchinson CC

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Joseph Flores - UTEP

<p>I believe debate can most effectively be thought of as a communication event; as such, ideas and arguments in a debate round become most accessible and finally, most persuasive,&nbsp; if stated clearly, utilizing a comprehensible rate of speed&nbsp; and without undue dependence on jargon.&nbsp; Clear signposting and effective organization throughout the debate enhances the clarity of argument. &nbsp;Consistent signposting creates a clean flow, with major arguments prominent in the mind of your judges.&nbsp; I tend to vote on the flow. &nbsp;I&rsquo;m open to any strategy as long as it is explained well, organized clearly and makes sense.&nbsp; I use a tabula rasa approach as a judge, so don&rsquo;t worry about what I may or may not believe in&nbsp;<em>re</em>&nbsp;whatever proposition is being debated, or what rhetorical strategies and/or debate conventions you choose to utilize. &nbsp;&nbsp;I enjoy a well-crafted and intellectually satisfying argument on any topic, from any viewpoint.&nbsp; Clash is the heart of debate, so keep on point.&nbsp;&nbsp; Please remember the value of transitions reinforcing the organization you&rsquo;ve established throughout the round, and don&rsquo;t forget to spend appropriate time on summary, most specifically in rebuttals.&nbsp; A strong rebuttal traces the evolution of the most important arguments used in the debate, showing how and why your version of the proposition should prevail. &nbsp;I do caution you against the use of offensive language or actual rudeness toward your opponents. Wit and humor are appreciated, if you have the occasion to use such strategies.<br /> &nbsp;</p>


Julian Plaza - CC


Kathryn Starkey - CSU

<p><strong>Judging Philosophy: Kathryn Starkey </strong></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>Section 1: General Information </strong></p> <p>I debated at the University of Wyoming from 2006-2011. I coached at Texas Tech University for the three years following UW. Now, I am the Director of forensics at CSU Pueblo in my 3rd year. &nbsp;As a debater, I tended to read policy-oriented arguments with the occasional cap-bad or constructivism K thrown into the mix. Debate is a game; be strategic. This is one of the most incredible educational activities out there. Treat it as such.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>Section 2: Specific Inquiries </strong></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 1. Speaker points (what is your typical speaker point range or average speaker points given.</strong></p> <p>So far my range tends to fall in the 26-30 category. Things to help your speaker points: strategy, intelligence, and wit. Adjustments will occur when debaters are inappropriate in round. Please be civil! I know that debates can become intense, but your speaker points will also be a reflection of your ability to treat your opponents with respect.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 2. How do you approach critically framed arguments? Can affirmatives run critical arguments? Can critical arguments be &ldquo;contradictory&rdquo; with other negative positions?&nbsp;</strong></p> <p>I have voted k&rsquo;s for them since I have stopped competing, but a word of caution: I am probably not as well versed in the literature as you. This being said, if you run a K in front of me, make sure to thoroughly explain your argument. Several unwarranted tags coupled with name-dropping authors isn&rsquo;t going to be as persuasive as a thorough explanation of the thesis of the K. The alternative must be able to solve the mpx of the K, which make both the alt text and the solvency contention pretty important in my book. I&rsquo;m not a fan of using the K to exclude the aff. It makes the discussion solely about the K, which I think takes away from the merit of parli. Despite this, it&rsquo;s your debate.</p> <p>The aff can run critical arguments, but there is a way to do so and be topical at the same time. The resolution exists for a reason. Please be topical. I&rsquo;m very persuaded by framework arguments.</p> <p>As for contradictory arguments, it probably depends on your ability to defend conditionality as a beneficial thing in parli. I&rsquo;m down with conditional arguments, but demonstrating why you are not abusive to the other team can be difficult at times and is your burden to fulfill. This also probably means you need to have a coherent strategy going into the block to deter possible abuse if you are going to run critical arguments that contradict other facets of the negative strategy.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 3. Performance based arguments&hellip;</strong></p> <p>Not a fan&hellip;.. I&rsquo;ll vote for whatever you tell me to vote for in a round, but I&rsquo;m not going to enjoy listening to a performance if read in front of me. I&rsquo;d like to enjoy what I listen to.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 4. Topicality. What do you require to vote on topicality? Is in-round abuse necessary? Do you require competing interpretations?&nbsp;</strong></p> <p>For the aff, you should probably be topical. Aside from this, I love T debates as long as they aren&rsquo;t the generic, stock T debate that gets rehashed every round. Nuanced and educational ways to interpret the resolution tend to spur interesting debates, at least in my opinion. I&rsquo;d prefer to have in-round abuse, but it&rsquo;s not necessary. Without a specific weighing mechanism, I&rsquo;ll default to competing interpretations.</p> <p>To vote on T, it clearly needs an interp, standards and a voter. In a paradigm of competing interpretations, there must be a net-benefit to one interpretation that the other fails to capture. I don&rsquo;t see T as a win-all for the Aff. I don&rsquo;t think I&rsquo;d vote for an RVI on T.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 5. Counterplans -- PICs good or bad? Should opp identify the status of the counterplan? Perms -- textual competition ok? functional competition?</strong></p> <p>With a substantial net-benefit, PICS are great. I welcome the theoretical level of the counterplan debate as well. That being said, it would be difficult to persuade me that arguments like PICS bad or PICS good are more than a way for me to view the round. I.e. Voting for the arg: PICS are bad, which means they lose. If a solid abuse story is established, I can probably be persuaded otherwise.</p> <p>I also think the neg should state the status of the counterplan in the LOC. It forces the theory debate to begin later in the debate, making it difficult to evaluate the end of a debate in which the PMR goes for that theory. Why hide your status? If you&rsquo;re going to read a counterplan, be ready to defend it.</p> <p>Counterplans need to be functionally competitive, or there seems to be no point in running one. It must have a NB that the aff cannot solve. As for textual competition, I&rsquo;m impartial. It probably helps to prove the competition of your counterplan, but it doesn&rsquo;t seem as necessary to me, though I can be persuaded otherwise. Perms are tests of competition; they are not advocacies. If a counterplan is non-competitive, then it goes away, leaving the rest of the debate.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 6. Is it acceptable for teams to share their flowed arguments with each other during the round (not just their plans)</strong></p> <p>Impartial. It&rsquo;s probably in your best interest to make sure you flowed an argument as the other team stated it, but it&rsquo;s up to you. Sharing texts is probably a good idea as well. I also don&rsquo;t care if you ask the other team something during a speech (this isn&rsquo;t a POI &ndash; it&rsquo;s the other communication that occurs) as long as I can still hear who&rsquo;s speaking. It seems to be a trend that&rsquo;s picking up. Doesn&rsquo;t bother me.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 7. In the absence of debaters&#39; clearly won arguments to the contrary, what is the order of evaluation that you will use in coming to a decision (e.g. do procedural issues like topicality precede kritiks which in turn precede cost-benefit analysis of advantages/disadvantages, or do you use some other ordering?)?</strong></p> <p>As a disclaimer: this is your job, not mine. Please do this for me. Procedurals come first, then usually other theoretical objections, impacts. It all still depends what kinds of arguments are in the round.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><strong>1. 8. How do you weight arguments when they are not explicitly weighed by the debaters or when weighting claims are diametrically opposed? How do you compare abstract impacts (i.e. &quot;dehumanization&quot;) against concrete impacts (i.e. &quot;one million deaths&quot;)?</strong></p> <p>I would honestly prefer to NEVER have to do this, so please don&rsquo;t make me have to do so! A thought, though: Extinction&gt;dehume</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Other Random thoughts J</p> <ul> <li>I LOVE disads.</li> <li>Please read texts and interpretations more than once. If you want it down word for word, please repeat it for me!</li> <li>POI&rsquo;s: Seems like a good rule of thumb to take one per constructive speech. Clarification on texts, especially, is sometimes necessary for a coherent strategy.</li> <li>Spec positions are awful. I understand their utility to guarantee a strategy, but they&rsquo;re not very convincing in front of me if you go for it.</li> <li>Overviews are good; you should use them.</li> <li>Please make sure to compare positions and give impact calculus throughout the rebuttals.</li> <li>I&rsquo;ll protect against new arguments in rebuttals. You should still call points of order in the event I may have missed something.</li> <li>Any questions, please feel free to ask. I love this activity, and I love to talk about it.</li> </ul> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p>


Kelsey Paiz - Long Beach


Kenny Hopkinson - Hutchinson CC

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Kevin Palma - CWC


Kevin Thompson - TTU

<p>Kevin Thompson - Texas Technical University<br /> Saved Philosophy:<br /> Question 1 : Philosophy<br /> History/Experience:<br /> In high school I debated 3 years in policy debate in Texas, 1 year in LD. I graduated from Texas Tech in August of 2014, having debated there for 3 years in NPTE and NPDA debate. During my last season, I placed 11th&nbsp;at NPTE and 3rd&nbsp;at NPDA.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Initial Things:<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Debate is a game and at the end of the day, there is a loser and a winner. I view myself not as an individual to inhibit whatever you want to read, but view my position as an opportunity to listen to whatever you have to say. With this in mind, you should note that I will listen to anything that isn&rsquo;t morally repugnant. Games are fun until they are spoiled by lies, rudeness, and vindication. To win my ballot, keep these things in mind.<br /> I learned parli debate from Kathryn Starkey, Lauran Schaefer, Jared Bressler, Rob Layne, Nick Larmer, Nick Robinson, Andrew Potter, Tyler Cashiola, Aly Fiebrantz,&nbsp;Adam&nbsp;Testerman, Robear Maxwell, JT Seymour, and probably most significantly, Joey Donaghy. Seeing their judge philosophies will help explain mine.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> These references will get you better speaker points:<br /> Any jokes mentioning the folks I mentioned above, especially Joey and Larmer<br /> Pokemon<br /> NBA (I am a Nuggets fan)<br /> Video Games<br /> Big 12 football<br /> Pooping/farting<br /> My shitty speeches when I competed/being a backpack<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Offense/Defense<br /> Defense wins championships in sports, offense wins championships in debate. However, a good mix of offense and defense is what I like seeing the most. To me, a good strategy includes a healthy mix of both of these things.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Condo (and Dispo) vs. Uncondo<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Condo is okay with me. I think that in parli it is harder for you to win it because the offensive reasons for MG skew are more compelling to me, but that is not to say that the debate over condo in parli has skewed me either way. I still believe that testing the aff in different ways is good, so making offensive comparisons on the condo flow is super important for me. However, these debates can get pretty messy, so slowing down during these (and other theory debates) is appreciated.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Speed<br /> &nbsp;<br /> If you are too fast, I will say &ldquo;clear.&rdquo; I don&rsquo;t think speed is a problem in debate, but clarity is certainly an issue. Speed Ks and similar arguments are hard for me to vote on because of judge intervention. However, with all of this said, I will dock your speaker points if you do not make the debate accessible. If you know you are debating novices or folks that are hard of hearing, I humbly ask you to make the debate enjoyable by everyone. If so, you will be rewarded with better speaker points.&nbsp; Also, the only time I ask you to slow down is during interps and plan/cp/alt texts. Either slow down or (preferably) read them twice.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Impacts<br /> Debaters do not put enough emphasis on impact comparison. In every debate I have seen this year, I have voted for the team that warranted impacts the best and used impact calc most effectively. It should also be noted that the team who won typically had really good impact defense coupled with one or two terminalized impacts. &nbsp;Probability impact frameworks are cool, but make sure to include a bunch of impact defense.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> DAs, CPs<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Read em, enjoy em. Make sure warrants are clear. If &nbsp;your cp does something weird, crazy, or specific, make sure to clarify what it does. Also, it should be noted that I am pretty dumb at the econ debate. Using a lot of economic jargon probably won&rsquo;t work for you in your favor. For politics disads, make sure to explain what your bill does if that implicates your impacts and internals. CPs that I enjoy are alt actors, PICs, Advantage, and sometimes consult. CPs I dislike are delay, floating PICSs, multiple plank and process CPs.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Theory and Topicality<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Slow down for this debate. Theory and T debates can get pretty intense with flowing because the honest truth is that I didn&rsquo;t go for theory much when I debated. However, that isn&rsquo;t to say that they are not strategic. I need you to slow down and/or read your interps twice. You need a definition of reasonability if you are going to read that, but I do not find it very persuasive. T should be as strategy, not as a timesuck. In fact, you should not be reading anything you think you cannot, won&rsquo;t potentially go for. Of all things, topicality and theory are my least favorite things to vote on but nonetheless will and have voted there. This shouldn&rsquo;t deter you from reading these things if they are part of your strategy. Also, I won&rsquo;t vote on an RVI.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Kritiks<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Read em, enjoy em. Alt text should be read slowly and/or twice. I loved reading these in high school and college, but now there seems to be a growing trend to just read a bunch of confusing kritik jargon as an argument. Please do not do this and assume I have read the same literature that you have. I understand that reading kritiks to catch folks off guard can be strategic, but keep in mind that you might be catching me off guard too. Explain what my ballot does by voting for you.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Projects<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Cool if you wanna read these in front of me but that isn&rsquo;t to say that these have not been a sight of frustration in my debating years. I used to debate projects in high school about rural inclusivity among other projects, but I feel like the best project debaters can also defend their project in theoretical ways. Saying &ldquo;fuck the rules&rdquo; can be compelling, but so is &ldquo;you must defend a plan text by the USFG.&rdquo; Just be prepared to defend your position on theoretical levels beyond no linking/no impacting theory.&nbsp;<br /> &nbsp;<br /> &nbsp;<br /> Permutations<br /> &nbsp;<br /> I feel like it is better to make one or two permutations that make sense that are net beneficial than a bunch of permutations with little explanation of what those permutations mean.&nbsp; You need to say the permutation twice, preferably slow down when you do this too. I think the growing trend to have a perm text written down is silly, just say it twice, somewhat slowly, and move on.</p>


Kristy McManus - WWCC

<p>I have been coaching since 2010.&nbsp; I competed for two years at the college level.&nbsp; I took a long break from forensics but returned when working on my second Master&rsquo;s Degree in Communication.&nbsp; I am currently the DOF at Western Wyoming Community College.</p> <p>I try to remain as tab as possible.&nbsp; It is your responsibility to dictate what the round will look like.</p> <p>I put a lot of weight on the flow.&nbsp; I will not &ldquo;do the work for you&rdquo;.</p> <p>CP&rsquo;s, DA&rsquo;s, K&rsquo;s &ndash; sure!&nbsp; Strategy is key for me but all must be done well and show understanding through warranted argumentation.</p> <p>Tell me what to do.&nbsp; This is your debate.&nbsp; Where should I look and how should I vote.&nbsp; Impact calk is a must.</p> <p>T&rsquo;s are there for a reason &ndash; if you need to use them &ndash; you MUST.&nbsp; Otherwise, they are a waste of my time.</p> <p>Be civil &ndash; if you are rude, I stop listening.</p>


Malcom Gabbard - CC


Mary Alice George - Hutchinson CC

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Maurianna Shelbourn - Utah

<p>I do not have any competitive debate experience but I do come from a speech and communication background. I enjoy critical theory and performance and am very open to their use in rounds. Primarily I am looking for teams&rsquo; strength and quality of argumentation. I want to see you take the time to warrant your claims.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>It is unlikely for me to vote on procedurals unless there is very clearly demonstrated abuse. I tend to get frustrated when time is spent here unnecessarily.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>In rebuttals I am looking for you to address the impact calculus and provide arguments that explain why one impact should outweigh another.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I believe debate should be accessible. This means I am not a fan of excessive speed and like to hear clear, articulate delivery. While I am learning the structure and terminology of debate I also appreciate minimal use of jargon. I will take notes but I do not consider myself to be a flow critic.</p>


Michael Middleton - Utah

<p>Michael Middleton</p> <p>Judging Philosophy</p> <p><strong>A Quotation:</strong></p> <p>&ldquo;The present situation is highly discouraging&rdquo; &ndash;Gilles Deleuze &amp; Felix Guattari</p> <p><strong>A Haiku:</strong></p> <p>Debate is Awesome</p> <p>Judging Makes Me Cry Softly</p> <p>Do I weep in vain?</p> <p><strong>Some things to consider (when debating in front of me):</strong></p> <p>10.&nbsp; I DO NOT support speed as a tool of exclusion</p> <p>9.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I DO NOT like deciding for myself what is the most important thing in the round or how to evaluate the competing arguments; You should do this for me.&nbsp; You will like it less if you don&rsquo;t. On the other hand, I will like it more.</p> <p>8.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I DO like well-structured debates. I also like interesting structures.</p> <p>7.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I DO like creative interpretations; I DO NOT like when you don&rsquo;t explain/provide a rationale for why I your interpretation makes for a productive/rewarding/interesting/good debate.</p> <p>6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I DO NOT like nor understand potential abuse arguments; I DO like and reward teams that demonstrate compellingly that the quality of the debate has been compromised by an interpretive choice made by the other team.</p> <p>5.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I DO NOT vote for any given argument or against any given type of argument.&nbsp; Run whatever strategy you like; Be clear about your strategy.</p> <p>4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am a participant in the round also.&nbsp; While I make my best effort to vote on who is winning and losing the debate based on the arguments, I use speaker points to evaluate and highlight both excellent and poor behaviors, i.e. if you create a hostile environment, you get massively low speaker points.</p> <p>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jargon does not equal argument. Nor does it equal a good time.</p> <p>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cross-application does not equal new argument. It doesn&rsquo;t really equal anything.</p> <p>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Debate is not life.&nbsp; Losing a ballot will not steal your humanity.&nbsp; I tend to prefer rounds that demonstrate everyone in the room knows this.</p> <p>0. Have Fun</p>


Michael Harvey - USAFA

<p>I enjoy a thoughtful debate without pre-canned arguments. I will attempt to flow everything. Even if an argument appears rather inane, please address it even if it&#39;s brief. Please show courtesy to each other.I am not overly fond of critiques, but will listen.</p>


Nicole Brown - TTU

<p>Nicole Brown_________________</p> <p>School: Texas Tech_________________</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Section 1: General Information</p> <p>Please begin by explaining what you think is the relevant information about your approach to judging that will best assist the debaters you are judge debate in front of you. Please be specific and clear. Judges who write philosophies that are not clear will be asked to rewrite them. Judges who do not rewrite them may be fined or not allowed to judge/cover teams at the NPTE.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I think that the debate is for the debaters so I will listen to anything. I am not against any particular type of debate as long as it is well explained and please don&rsquo;t rely on me knowing all the jargon or all of the philosophers that you want to talk about, as long as it is explained I can follow. I think that good impact calculus is important in the debate round. I like a comparison of the issues to make my decision easier. I am also not the best at keeping up in a fast round so it might help you to slow down a little.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Section 2: Specific Inquiries&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>Please describe your approach to the following.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Speaker points (what is your typical speaker point range or average speaker points given)?</p> <p>27-30</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How do you approach critically framed arguments? Can affirmatives run critical arguments? Can critical arguments be &ldquo;contradictory&rdquo; with other negative positions?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I think that critically framed arguments are fine. I like to have a clear way to evaluate the round. Please don&rsquo;t expect me to understand very jargon heavy positions. I have been out of the activity for a while. &nbsp;I like to know the role of the ballot and why I should vote the way I should. I think that the framework debate is important to understand access with certain positions. I like for things to be simplified so I don&rsquo;t have to intervene.&nbsp;&nbsp;I don&rsquo;t see a problem with arguments being contradictory unless the other team argues it.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Performance based arguments&hellip;don&rsquo;t bother me. I don&rsquo;t have anything against them.&nbsp;&nbsp;I just like a clear framework on how I should vote.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Topicality. What do you require to vote on topicality? Is in-round abuse necessary? Do you require competing interpretations?</p> <p>&nbsp;I think that in round abuse is the easiest way to win topicality in front of me but I will vote on T if you are able to explain what ground was lost and why you should have access to that ground.&nbsp;&nbsp;I prefer if you could slow down the interpretation or repeat it to make sure that I get it.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>5.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Counterplans -- PICs good or bad? Should opp identify the status of the counterplan? Perms -- textual competition ok? functional competition?</p> <p>I will listen to any CP. I feel that all of these questions are things that should be debated out in the round. I think that the opp should&nbsp;&nbsp;identify the status of the CP.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Is it acceptable for teams to share their flowed arguments with each other during the round (not just their plans)</p> <p>It does not bother me.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>7.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In the absence of debaters&#39; clearly won arguments to the contrary, what is the order of evaluation that you will use in coming to a decision (e.g. do procedural issues like topicality precede kritiks which in turn precede cost-benefit analysis of advantages/disadvantages, or do you use some other ordering?)?</p> <p>I feel like all of this should be done in the round but if it isn&rsquo;t I generally look at Topicality/procedurals first then evaluate the rest of the issues based on importance in the round.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>8.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How do you weight arguments when they are not explicitly weighed by the debaters or when weighting claims are diametrically opposed? How do you compare abstract impacts (i.e. &quot;dehumanization&quot;) against concrete impacts (i.e. &quot;one million deaths&quot;)?</p> <p>Again I think this should be done in the round but if not done I generally will compare abstract concepts less than concrete impacts but this shouldn&rsquo;t be a problem because I will listen to whatever happens in the round.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p>


Rob Layne - Utah

<p>&nbsp;</p> <p>As an overview, I have been competing in and judging debate rounds since 1993.&nbsp; I competed in policy debate, was in deep outrounds at NPDA, and was competitive in NFA-LD. I have been a primary prep coach for all of the teams that I have directed or assisted with including Willamette University (before they cut their NPDA program), Texas Tech University, and the University of Utah. With over 20 years of experience in debate, I have watched debate formats change, transition, replicate, and reform.&nbsp; I&rsquo;d like to think that I am a critic of argument, where the rules of the game matter.&nbsp; That doesn&rsquo;t mean that appeals to authority are sufficient, but feel free to assess these conceptions of debate as part of your audience analysis.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Some general notes:</p> <p>(As a competitor, I always hated reading a book for a judge philosophy so here are the bulletpoints).</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <ol> <li>Compare warrants between contrasting arguments.</li> <li>Compare impacts using words like &ldquo;irreversibility,&rdquo; &ldquo;magnitude,&rdquo; &ldquo;timeframe,&rdquo; &ldquo;severity,&rdquo; and &ldquo;probability.&rdquo;</li> <li>Use warrants in all of your arguments.&nbsp; This means grounding arguments in specific examples.&nbsp;</li> <li>Make sure your permutations contain a text and an explanation as to what I do with the permutation.&nbsp; My default with permutations is that they are simply tests of competition.&nbsp; I don&rsquo;t typically believe that permutations get you out of a disad (shielding the links) or that you capture a counterplan win you when the perm.&nbsp; If you have a different conception, make an argument to convince me how your permutation should work.</li> <li>Use internal and external structure like Subpoint A 1. a. i. instead of saying &ldquo;next&rdquo; or stringing arguments together without breaks.&nbsp; I try to keep a careful flow, help me do that.</li> <li>Be cordial to one another. There&rsquo;s no need to be mean or spikey.&nbsp; I get that it&rsquo;s an event that pits a team against another and debate can feel personal&hellip;but there&rsquo;s no need to spout hate.</li> <li>I take a careful flow&hellip;if you&rsquo;re unclear or not giving me enough pen time don&rsquo;t be upset when I ask you to clear up or slow down a touch.&nbsp; Let me have time to flip the page.</li> <li>Allow me to choose a winner at the end of the round.&nbsp; I don&rsquo;t award double wins or double losses.</li> <li>Have voters and standards attached to procedural arguments if you want me to take them seriously.&nbsp; &ldquo;We meets&rdquo; and counter-interpretation extensions are your friends.</li> <li>I will protect you from new arguments in the rebuttals. There&rsquo;s little need to call superfluous Points of Order.&nbsp; If you call them, I&rsquo;ll take it under consideration.</li> <li>Have an alternative attached to your criticism or at least explain why you don&rsquo;t need one.</li> <li>Be on time to the round. Already have used to the restroom, gotten your water, found your room, etc.&nbsp; I will follow the tournament instructions on lateness, regardless of prelim or outround.&nbsp;Please don&#39;t come to the round and then go to the bathroom, please relieve yourself before prep begins or during prep. &nbsp;</li> <li>&nbsp;Compare standards if there are competing interpretations present.</li> <li>Connect the dots between different arguments to illustrate how those arguments interact.</li> <li>Kick arguments in the opp block to go deeper on selected arguments.&nbsp; Going for everything tends to mean that you&rsquo;re going for nothing.</li> <li>Know the difference between offensive and defensive arguments. I still think arguments can be terminally defensive as long as it&rsquo;s explained.</li> <li>Avoid extending answers through ink. Answer opposing arguments before making key extensions.</li> <li>Extend arguments/case via the member speeches to have access to them in the rebuttals.</li> <li>Not everything can be a turn. Please avoid making everything a turn.</li> <li>I do think that you can cross-apply arguments from other sheets of paper in the rebuttal.&nbsp; It&rsquo;s not like paper is sacrosanct.&nbsp; If the argument was made in a prior speech, then it&rsquo;s fair game.</li> <li>Enjoy the debate round. I&rsquo;m not going to force fun on you, but not everything has to be so serious.</li> </ol> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Speaker points:</p> <p>I typically give speaker points from 25-30. My average is a 27. 30&rsquo;s from me are rare, but they are occasionally given. You likely won&rsquo;t see more than one 30 from me at an invitational tournament. At NPTE, I&rsquo;ve typically given out 3-4 30&rsquo;s. I expect that most debaters at the NPTE will likely be in the 27-29 range.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Critical Arguments:</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I tend to enjoy critical arguments as long as they&rsquo;re well explained. Framework your argument (Role of the ballot/judge and/or interpretation about what you get access to) and provide an alternative (tell me what the world post-alt looks like and have solvency grounded in examples). Affirmatives can run critical arguments. If you&rsquo;re running arguments that are incongruent with other arguments, you should likely have an explained justification for doing so.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Performance based arguments:</p> <p>Please don&rsquo;t ask me to sit in a circle&hellip;have a discussion&hellip;rip up my ballot&hellip;get naked&hellip;or do anything that most folks would find mildly inappropriate. I think that debate is a performance. Some performances are better than others. Some performances are justified better than others. If you prefer a framework of a certain type of performance, make sure your framework is well articulated and warranted.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Procedurals:</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I require an interpretation, a violation, and a voter. You should probably have standards for why your interpretation is better than other interpretations. I don&rsquo;t require competing interpretations, but it can be a useful tool. I don&rsquo;t require in-round abuse, though it will help to prove why your interpretation is preferable.&nbsp; I have a low threshold on procedurals.&nbsp; Folks do wanky stuff&hellip;explain why your version of debate is preferable and why that means I should vote for you.&nbsp; I am skeptical of MG theory arguments and will hold them to a higher standard than I would LOC theory.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Counterplans</p> <p>I think folks should tell me why they get access to their counterplan in the LOC. I might have a very different conception of a PIC than you do (for example, PIC&rsquo;s are plan inclusive counterplans, which mean they include the entirety of the text of the plan). I think opp&rsquo;s should identify a CP&rsquo;s status to avoid procedural args like conditionality. Permutations should be explained. I want to know how you think they function in the round. My default status for a won permutation is that I just stop looking at the CP. If you have a different interpretation as to what I should do with a permutation, you should articulate my options.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p>


Savannah Sandburg - CC


Tracey Mahoney - RRCC

<p><strong>Tracey C. Mahoney Judging Paradigm</strong></p> <p><strong>Experience:&nbsp;</strong>Metro State College of Denver&nbsp;(1998 - 2001) Debater, ADOD; University of Wyoming (2001 - 2002) GA, Assistant Parliamentary Coach; Red Rocks Community College (2012 - Present); Debate Club Advisor/Director of Debate</p> <p>When did parli debate turn into <em>NDT</em> without evidence tubs?&nbsp; I do not like what it has become&mdash;I miss <em>old-school </em>parli debate!&nbsp; That being said, here is how I primarily judge a round:</p> <p><em>1. Speed</em>:&nbsp; If I cannot audibly comprehend your message because your rate is unnecessarily, excessively fast, then I cannot flow your argument.&nbsp; Thus, I cannot vote on it at the end of the round.</p> <p><em>2. Argument</em>: Make an argument!&nbsp; Evidence is wonderful, but we can&rsquo;t check it, so your arguments and their impacts are weighed more heavily in my mind.&nbsp; Also, I don&rsquo;t appreciate numerous off-case that have virtually no relation to the resolution as defined, and are more a tactic of <em>spreading</em> the opposition. That tactic will hurt your speaker points.</p> <p><em>3. The Flow</em>: Get it on the flow!&nbsp; I will not intervene in a round, nor will I vote on <em>implied </em>arguments.&nbsp; If an argument is not on my <em>flow, </em>I will not vote on it.</p> <p><em>4. Rebuttals</em>:&nbsp; Don&rsquo;t make me work for it&mdash;crystalize the round and give me solid voting issues.</p> <p>Other than the points above, and the tournament rules, I am open to almost anything :)</p> <p>&nbsp;</p>


Zane Fross - CWC